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Title: Deal With it
Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 21 2006, 06:57 AM
No offense to anyone who does this, but I cant stand anyone who follows media and tries to make themselves look beautiful by getting surgery or lipo. YOu should just deal with whatever you've got and use it to your advantage. If you're fat, you're fat. If you want to change yourself then workout and eat healthy. I could be wrong about this subject or I could be right. Tell me your opinion.
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 21 2006, 08:03 AM
Right and wrong depend on the person. Tere is no global right or wrong about a certain thing.
And I believe that what you said is very right and very nice. Making implants and stuff to look cool is something very stupid if you ask me. Thow when i was younger i alwais wanted to be a cyborg :P but keep in mind that alongside fizical possibilities, thow for very few people there's alwais shapeshifting witch i believe it can be done to become however you want to be.
So yeah for those who want to make implants and stuff to change theirselves... they really should stop and forget about it.
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Post by: Voncloud on Mar 21 2006, 11:57 AM
Im not bothered in the slightest what humans do to themselfs, they have never bene happy with anything they have and always want more. Let them mutate themselfs if you ask me.
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 21 2006, 01:37 PM
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Im not bothered in the slightest what humans do to themselfs, they have never bene happy with anything they have and always want more. Let them mutate themselfs if you ask me.
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I... have to admit I perfectly agree with you here! Thow I might feel sorry for some humans... the more days pass, the more people i talk 2 and the more i see on the news... I'm starting to agree with you that humans deserve nothing.
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 22 2006, 05:38 AM
You have to ask yourself this though, have you ever been happy with yourself and the way you look? That is pretty much how the media messes with the human psyche to get them to get surgery or buy products such as diet pills. Some people even become bilemic and annorexic because they have no moral value and want to look like one of those girls you see on MTV. That is really screwed up to know that the media can screw anytime they want as long as you listen and put up with it.
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Post by: Voncloud on Mar 22 2006, 05:56 AM
I am perfectly happy with the way i look, the most i do is make myself look smart and presentable when i go out, after all no one wants to look scruffy when going out. And that is just usually putting on my better clothes to what i normally wear. And thats to make myself feel better because i know, i look tidy ^^.
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 22 2006, 02:53 PM
You speak the truth but what I mean is the image you present with your body and attitude towards it.
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Post by: Voncloud on Mar 22 2006, 03:17 PM
Ahh, well its""I like my body if you dont tough shit"
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 22 2006, 07:57 PM
I can't say I'm happy with myself... OK so I think I look cute and cuddly but I dun like myself because... well I wanna have fox ears and tails soooo much... ^^
Thow I'm not going to even bloody hell ever think about making myeself an operation to, witch I find *no comment* I believe I can in time shapeshift if I try hard enough.
And well... about my clothes... actually... I just put on what I grab if I'm lucky enough to not put my clothes on the opposite side, sometimes it happens. I actually "care" so much about myself that most of the time I go with my house clothes when I go outside to buy something (they're full of paint I look like from the countryside xD)
And about the media...well... all I can say is "please give me power not to throw the television out the window"
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 23 2006, 05:31 AM
About you actually getting the operation, that is ok in the sense that it is sort of like a dream for you so that is not bad in the sense that I am talking about. I would definitely want fox ears and tails as well and maybe one day i will but for now i enjoy the way i am. By the way have you ever heard of therianism?
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 06:10 AM
Yeah... therians are animal souls reincarnated into humans from what I know...
And no I could never ever want an operation because if i want to have fox tails and ears i dun want to have them thanks to medical researtch and scientific researtch and anywayz I also wouldn't want to have to thank the humans for being the way I want to be...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 23 2006, 04:23 PM
You see i like people who respect their image as a person or furson (whatever they wish to be called). I respect and applaude them *clap-clap*. Good for you!
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 05:00 PM
Yo! I've seen it all... now I don't know much about why they do those things. They say "It's cool, pimpin', stylin', the shit!" I have this to say what's cool about destryoing yourself to impress other people? This world is a sad one with people only looking for the exterior instead of looking for the interior the heart. The mind and the soul making the connections and the bond. I have a theory and it's that everybody is connected and were all brothers and sisters that there's a tiny part of our DNA that makes connected and related to eachother that's just my theory. Sorry if I got off topic...
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 06:10 PM
Very nice thinking ^^ thow I dun think I am brother or sister with any human thankfully :P
And Kumori... well... to be honest I like those who look after others way more than those who care about their own image. But I guess that's your own belief ^^
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Post by: Yerix on Mar 23 2006, 06:16 PM
I'm just gonna make this short and simple....

Beauty is skin deep.

Ok, maybe a bit longer....It's all about one's kindness of heart, not the body frame, and the tacky, revealing outfit being worn. And the empire of cruel, draconian fleshbags that we call the human race, a gigantic portion of them at that, fail to understand this. You could look at a beautiful appealing girl and chances are she could have a heart as cold as the arctic and as rough as barbed wire. And so on....
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 06:31 PM
That's what I was saying and I completely agree with you it's not about looks or fashion it's about the heart and the mind... I know that I probably won't get married when I'm older because I have a bit of a problem and a troubled past but I can't let that be my excuse... I'm going to be a better person I'm going to try to hold my tounge and to make more friends and to be more confident... Though I wish I had a father :( or a father figure and my brother has been neither of those...
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 06:37 PM
I feel so helpless I cant help you with it... :( I wish I could...
Anywayz I perfectly agree with you and Yerix.
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 06:50 PM
It's okay as long as you are satisfied and you know that your heart and soul is good then you could do anything unfortunately my heart and soul is torn in two halves and now I need find the strength to push out some of the evil... Because there's no such thing as being pure light it doesn't exist but pure dark does exist and I don't wanna be that way... being here expels it briefly because here I feel safe, secure, and wanted... anybody else feel that way?
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 06:59 PM
Yes, me! And no, there's neither pure light neither pure darkness. Thats what I believe but I rather believe in pure light. And I feel like that all day. Thats why I got addicted to help people who are feeling so bad and thats why I asked you for your YIM really I saw that you where not allright but we can talk on PM if u want.
And dont stress yourself afraid you're going to become evil as I cant live afraid I could become or be human and not kitsune. *hugs* you have a positive thinking and from my oppinion u are too good to be able to ever become evil. As long as you are like this, like Metallica says, "nothing else matters"
btw, but... are you a human or an otherkin?
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 07:12 PM
well when I was a kid I thought I was a lot of animals and mystical beasts but now I think I'm a mixture of a whole bunch and I guess human and kit's would have to be one of them...
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 07:15 PM
Yeah... I gathered that you're way to wise and have way too much respect for life to be a human ^^ andI'm very happy I've met you.
btw how old are you?
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 07:18 PM
15 turning 16 on august 7th my mom told me that I'm wise beyond my years I don't know about that though
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 07:22 PM
Yes, you are. And I can tell you from now you're going to get very very far. Thrust me... just keep this path...
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 07:23 PM
I hope your right DAMMIT I seriously wish I had more confidence!
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 07:25 PM
Me too. But I know I cant be changed if I am what I wish. Even if I'm afraid... You can only change if you want it unforced by anything or anyone. Thow sometimes when my mind is too clouded I doubt it... and end up making stories in my mind about killing myself
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 07:31 PM
I used to feel that way alot and unfortunately it grew stronger until I didn't want myself to die I wanted to see the whole world die burn, perish!
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 07:37 PM
I cant say I want to see the world destroyed... sounds like overkill. i just want the human race down from power since they destroyed this world. But no death. Try to change your view here a little if u can. Humans are actually victims of their own creations. I know how people like you would feel. Even if you hate someone to death, and you're sure seeing someone killed would make you happy, after you would you would never be able to forgive it once you'd see that person dead... and no way back to turn
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 07:46 PM
I know but it's just sad I hear the earth crying I see it trying to fight back but unfortunately humans get smarter and smarter each day. The earth is tearing itself apart to avoid it's torture and to be left alone but it knows that it will die... It doesn't want to die like anyother being but it has to tear itself to stop the torture I want there to be another way to stop this. I don't like the human race very much but my blood is there's and I can't do anything about and I'm helping them by standing to the side and letting this destruction occur... I want to save the earth not destroy and I want to get the human race off of earth... if I could make a wish it would be for eternal youth not to live no... But to watch the earth change and to take care of it... The earth, to me, is a child that needs to be fed and cared for if we continue to mistreat it then it will die...
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 23 2006, 07:53 PM
Congradulations, Kente-san! You've just entered my list of the greatest people I've ever met.
Unfortunately... its 4 AM and I gotta go to bed now. I'll talk to you more tomorrow since I dun wanna miss the chance to talk to someone like you for nothing in the world.
Ah... and Kumori, sorry for bumping your topic like that. Sorry I just couldn't help talking about the new discussion.
So Kente-san, take care and I'll be seeing ya later *hugs*
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 23 2006, 08:02 PM
Sure...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 24 2006, 05:49 AM
I am glad to know that people here share some of the beliefs i have and as Kentenko said
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This world is a sad one with people only looking for the exterior instead of looking for the interior the heart. The mind and the soul making the connections and the bond.
I respect this very much Kentenko as well as the words from all of you.
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 24 2006, 05:52 AM
Same here. Honestly, Kente-san is the wisest person of his age I've met... very nice!
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 24 2006, 08:40 AM
Geeze you guys are making me blush... :)
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Post by: Voncloud on Mar 24 2006, 09:08 AM
There isnt pure evil nor is there pure light, if you look at a yin yang both sides also have a small light and dark spot. The earth is crying out but its not a child Far from it, the Earth is a Wise and powerful being that used to command respect from the cretures who were blessed with living on its surface. The humans Lost this respect and have slowly started to kill off the earths spirit. There are things i have seen in nature that have amazed me to tears, what the humans do disgust me, there are so many things i wish to see, but with the way things are..they may be destroyed before i see them. If i have one last wish, it would be to watch the humans consumed by their own creations and greed.
Kentenko you may be young but you are incredably wise, and i see no reason why you shouldnt be confident. You come accross confident, and im sorry to hear that you do not have a father figure, i can guess it is tough not having that, and you have my up most respect.


Sorry i went off point. theres 2 words that can sum up this topic and give advice; "Be yourself" DOnt letwhat others think change you, other wise you just join the flock of sheep who make up the vast majority of the people on this planet.

Sorry for long post ^^; had alot to say. Sucks cause you are all on when im not so i have alot of catching up to do when i do come on
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 24 2006, 09:39 AM
Kenteko, get online more often. I received your IM but I was sleeping right then. I wanna talk to u more.
And Sirus, I dunno for sure but... I have a feeling... things are going twords good. Yes... actually... things are getting tied up. since year 0 till... lets say year 1970 when the first computers started appearing... communication was very weak around the world. People where only talking through letters and newer, phone. Obviously, no way someone could find someone of his kind in those times but I'm sure thats the reason otherkins are starting to be brought to this world in these days. Because in this new milennium... milennium 2 or how they call it, you just go, leave a message somewhere and millions see it. Thoes interested reply, the others dont.
This ties up both good and evil. Since groups can organise. I have a feeling its all going twords good because now people talk to each other about spirits, their real selves, learn something new. Many years will pass from now on and thanks to this many people will be able to teach others new things. So therefore, I have the impression that the knollage of the old times is slowly starting to come back. Another proof is that there is more paranormal phenomenon hapening since 2000 than since 1930 when people where just rising technology and living what they where seeing. And as long as people like us own a shield that keeps our beliefs no matter what, in the future we will even be able to convince humans we're right. So lets try and hope for good then... cuz if things go this way, I believe that in the end humans can have both high technology and the magic that was unleashed 10000 years ago will come back in the future...
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Mar 24 2006, 12:17 PM
Ain't my fault the stupid school won't allow YIM but thanks you guys...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 24 2006, 08:40 PM
I do care for other it's just that i wouldnt want them to destroy themselves just to indulge in public perception. There is no need for it, but I cannot make them stop that is their own decision and the path they wish to take. I cannot stop it at all i just wish that they could look at themsleves and be happy thats all.
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 25 2006, 04:46 AM
Yeah I know I also have to admit i dun really like it... things like people getting cut or slow deaths really scare me... but people like this are part of the category of people who went crazy over their own creations. If they cannot undertand the real purpose of life... then we cant do anything about it... because they alwais think they're alwais right
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Post by: Voncloud on Mar 25 2006, 07:49 AM
Going off point slightly, DO you want me to make you an avatar Kumori? Ive noticed your recolour of tails so wondered if you want me to make you on?. If you do just PM me the details of what you want it to look like.
Im in a spriting mood so thats why i asked ^^
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 26 2006, 06:30 AM
Um....sure I guess. Thank you for your generosity Sirus, and I'm sorry. Honestly I believe people have too much pride to think they are wrong, or they are just plain stubborn.
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 26 2006, 08:10 AM
Humans are like that. if u can ignore them. let them pass with their circus in front of your eyes and pretend nothing happens. its the best thing we can do right now...
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Post by: Voncloud on Mar 26 2006, 11:14 AM
Ive said this before elsewhere on the forum but slightly differant but Whose a wiser man? One whoes always right? or one who admits when hes wrong?
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 26 2006, 12:00 PM
To answer that question I think the one who can admit he's wrong despite the fact that he's hurting his pride is the right one. Reasoning is something that humans can also have a problem with. They, sometimes, do not look into their mind or hearts and ask themselves if they are right for doing this or if they are wrong. What do you think upon that?
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Post by: Voncloud on Mar 26 2006, 12:11 PM
Very Rarly have i seen a human do that, its like the example alot of people can just stand and watch, but VERY few would acctully go and help or intervine.
And humans have a nack of realsing things when its to late
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 26 2006, 12:52 PM
I also agree with you both here. Its way nicer to accept when you're wrong. And I do have to admit I had trouble here.
When something bad happened, and I was just too angry to deal with it I was alwais looking for something around me and said "its that's fault!". And so I got used to it over the years and started to think its right. And in the end I ended up really thinking it was alwais someone else's fault I get things wrong. In the end, and actually not a long time ago I realised that no matter how I was turning it it was my fault actually. And also realised that I also wouldn't have wanted someone else to have had the fault all along. And it's actually a very nice feeling to know you woke up to what's right. Thow I didn't actually solve this problem entierly but now i know that if i blame someone else i do it cuz I'm angry but i know its not true cuz I own my own power of doing things. Think... it was a character in my mind that made me see things this way but thats another story.
And yeah, humans would hardly accept when they're wrong. But since I've alwais been like this I understand its something a bit harder to controll. At least its important that you realise for yourslef that you're wrong even if you cant admit it.
And about what Sirus said... thow I'm not happy to admit it... if someone innocent would get attacked by someone too powerful and I would be there... I would certanly be too afraid to try and help him. Like I said its better to be honest than to lie for hiding you're wrong... so if someone is to hate me, at least hate me for what i am, thats what I alwais say. Know how one really is then choose if to hate him by your own beliefs.
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 29 2006, 10:14 AM
I feel that it is honorable to admit that you are wrong, even if it is something that can hurt your pride. If you cant find that ability to do so then you are just fooling yourself and those around you. I used to have a problem with admiting that I was wrong that was until i had a "problem" and that changed my life drastically. So now i am happy with the way i am and my sense of judgement.
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 29 2006, 11:50 AM
I still cant admit each time when I'm wrong... I'm actually afraid to see if i am wrong and keep thinking I'm right just to not have to get over the fact I was wrong... not nice :(
Anywayz the only thing i can be sure of is saying the truth all the time. Even little things. I would only in very bad cases tell a lie and never a permanent one, witch means that sooner or later i'd make sure to tell the truth...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 29 2006, 03:18 PM
Some still have problems, but you need not fear for it is entirely normal. Although it just makes you seem ignorant to others when you cant admit to being wrong. I mean no offence to this.
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Post by: Taoki on Mar 29 2006, 05:59 PM
Well... not ignorant but it can make you look too... proud of yourself not admitting when you're wrong... but I do it mostly because if I am wrong once I am afraid I could be with other things twice and there are things I would do anything to be sure of so I even forget that I am right or wrong if I am not if I admit it. So i still need to work on that... Thow I think very few people alwais admit when they're wrong no matter what... if they do then they have a very strong mind and character and are prepared to face anything
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Mar 30 2006, 06:38 AM
I guess you're right. I mean in the end they always admit they are wrong even if it is just in their minds and thoughts.
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 03 2006, 07:44 PM
What'd I miss nothing important I hope...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 04 2006, 10:45 AM
It depends on your view of important.
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 04 2006, 12:40 PM
The world basically what's been going on here...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 04 2006, 02:49 PM
We are talkin about how people cant deal with their physical image and that they need not be victims to public perception.
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 04 2006, 04:58 PM
Hmmm... It's kinda important... Like I said never look at the out side and if your going to look at the inside too...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 04 2006, 07:43 PM
A wise statement. I believe that what you say is true.
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 04 2006, 08:29 PM
wise!
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 05 2006, 05:28 AM
What? you want something else?
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 13 2006, 10:51 AM
flippin heck! there is never goin 2 b a perfect person 2 every1 on the outside... The people who u think r perfect r the people u luv! If sum1 matters to u than no matter wot is wrong with them, they matter 2 u! Soz but i follow my heart for most things... :$
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Post by: Voncloud on Apr 13 2006, 11:24 AM
You cant always follow your heart..but you cant always follow your head either. Sometimes love can dictate over logic and rationality.
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 13 2006, 12:07 PM
This is true, but sometimes we cant deny our hearts, minds, or souls. We just do what feels right.
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 13 2006, 01:32 PM
The way I'm trying to be is that when I have to follow my heart I must not let my mind get in my way. Just what I feel is right and the rest I can consider it does not exist. This is only available if I feel something nice thow. Maybe sometimes it is my mind that keeps me from doing evil but I must disable it when I have to do good, I dont need to think then. Thinking is that STUPID thing that would make you afraid to jump into a fire to save someone... and thow thinking can save you from things that might happen after because you can see them... I dont care.
And btw, thinking is the thing that brought the world where it is today if you think about it...
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 13 2006, 01:54 PM
well im thick... so i dont think often... its a dangerous sport for me...
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 13 2006, 04:07 PM
Yeah, it sometimes can be dangerous. Still I say you only have to think when you dont have anything to do or you just feel like it but never let your thinking change your life too much, just know your path and go on it. The only thing thinking can help with is that if you want to be good and you know how important it is it can help you be very determined. The rest... Thinking is the only thing that can make you sad, thinking is the thing that will get you into big trouble (WAY bigger than not thinking and having an accident or something because of it) and I just find the idea of literarily being "mindlesly cute" adorable ^^
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 13 2006, 04:22 PM
Thinking is never a problem... It's what you do with the thought...
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 13 2006, 05:42 PM
Well... yeah... that is true...
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 13 2006, 06:21 PM
If you do something you thought of doing it no matter what someone says... It's your fault for falling into the persons spell...
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 13 2006, 06:25 PM
Yes but... *sigh* if people didn't think so much there wouldn't be any of the things that destroy this world today... I wish everybody would just think like you think at the age of 5-6-7... not more complex...
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 13 2006, 07:27 PM
They already do why do you think that they want everything 5 year olds ask for things they want this they want that. Why do they have to do it... That type of bull shit crap!!!
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 13 2006, 08:03 PM
Thought can somtimes be plain troublesome. Thats why i think people try to avoid it sometimes.
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Post by: Voncloud on Apr 14 2006, 09:47 AM
What all of you dont realise is your thinking all the time, when you speak, you already had the thought to say something in the first place. As im typing this i am thinking what to type. All the people here who Rp, you are thinking about how to add to the story are you not? You say not to think, but if you think about it if someone didnt think up of the internet, we all wouldnt be talking here right now.
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 14 2006, 10:03 AM
ur confusing me...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 14 2006, 02:09 PM
You got a point there Sirus.
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 14 2006, 03:19 PM
Well this is actually what I was talking about when I said "the thinking of a 4-5-6 year old". Didn't think about the fact that one could be troublesome with a thinking like that but 5 year old kids know how to type, how to rp, how to play something etc... without being able to think enough to make a plot against someone or bring an entire world to a point like this.
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 14 2006, 09:24 PM
maybe they could.
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 15 2006, 05:35 AM
actually if u think about it, u hardly think before u speak, thats y loads of people get into trouble... they dont think before they do certain actions or say certain things...
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Post by: Voncloud on Apr 15 2006, 05:38 AM
Well ok in MOST cases people think about what to say, usually subconciously
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 15 2006, 12:48 PM
Hmmm... yeah
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 15 2006, 02:00 PM
Its good when people speak without thinking because they often say what's true but dont want to admit, and I think it's alwais better. And btw I also had a topic about reveres-speech here somewhere with a link to a site witch prooved that if you play a sentence someone says on reverse you will hear in the same language what that person was actually thinking... witch prooves that you actually don't really think too much when you speak (you think more about the surface of message you're saying and influence it thow)
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Post by: Voncloud on Apr 15 2006, 04:26 PM
 I suppose what we think about (or usually think about to late) is what will happen if we say what we say,will it hurt a persons feelings so on.
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 15 2006, 04:44 PM
Well yeah... and btw since you said about it, I also believe it's best to say the truth even if it will hurt a person's feelings. I see happiness through lie way more cruel then just saying the truth once and hurting someone.
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Post by: Voncloud on Apr 15 2006, 05:26 PM
Saying the truth early is better then saying it late
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 15 2006, 10:07 PM
This is true, but i ask you what is the cost of lying?
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 16 2006, 04:11 AM
i hate the topic of lying, if u tell a white lie than sumtimes its ok, but sumtimes u have to tell lies to save sum1 else or to help sum1's feelings... its really deep and confusing
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 16 2006, 06:56 AM
Never lie, I see it as a bad thing. And I see lie as a "fake image" destroying the real thing. If its something good and you say something bad, it's pointless. If its something bad and you ie something good just to not hurt anyone, it's really really back because the happiness of that person does not stay on something permanent & stable. I can't beieve these days how much idiot parents tell their kids they're they're real parents when they're not, or other stuff like that but anywayz it's their buisness...
Never helps. And well, if you reall really have to lie once, even is u shouldn't, at least make sure that you will tell the truth sooner or later. It's "permanent" lies that I hate very much and am totally against...
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 16 2006, 11:18 AM
So you say that the truth should always be told in good and bad situations?
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Post by: Voncloud on Apr 16 2006, 11:54 AM
The cost of lies can vary. Small lies like tricks just for fun are ok. And when you reassure someone in a dire situation, you say its going to be ok even if your not sure about it yourself. Those kinda of lies are fine in my opinon. Its ones that are there to hurt or cover up something are the bad ones. or lies that keep you going and going and going then at the end of it all there is is Disapointment
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 16 2006, 12:07 PM
Exactly. Even if in worse situations it might seem that lying could fix things, in most cases it only brings it later and WORSE then if the truth would have been told directly in that moment. And if you do it for someone you care about and who cares about you, when he/she finds out it's worse because alongside the problem you lied for he'll also feel hurt because you lied to him. Think how the poor person would have to deal with 2 things then! If u are honest with your friends, they'll get over the truth, no matter witch one that is (the only exception I think would be if u killed someone thow because that would be too much but even that can be once fixed once)

[edit] I was writing before Sirus posted, I perfectly agree, joke lies and these are no problem thow I try to avoid these too but they aren't bad. Cover-up lies are the evil ones witch should never be said.
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 17 2006, 05:45 AM
hmmm... i told u the topic of lying was a deep topic... I know it sounds weird but i agree with all of you... all the points u make all contribute are all valid ones and they are all the anwsers... but i really dunno
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 17 2006, 01:05 PM
Everybody can lie for they have the tongue of the snake of old...
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Post by: Uchiyori on Apr 17 2006, 09:30 PM
only the most cunning can lie and get away faster than a theif... but to me lying is dishonesty... and dishonesty is a traitor! traitors die! die die die! of course I can lie, but only when caught in an extremely sticky situation! quick thinking is what the brains are all about! It kept me alive... well not anymore but, if I haden't I would have never been here back to the living world!! The secret to being as shrewed as me is.... I can't tell ya! hah!
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 18 2006, 10:03 AM
So lies can hurt you and other people depending on the situations that are given in and around you.
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 18 2006, 11:55 AM
pretty much yeah
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 18 2006, 02:10 PM
Well I guess I can agree with that then.
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 18 2006, 05:39 PM
Of course lies can hurt but they can also protect what matters is the intent and the shame... Also who it's to...
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 18 2006, 06:08 PM
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Of course lies can hurt but they can also protect what matters is the intent and the shame... Also who it's to...
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Nooooo... lies don't actually protect anyone, only for the moment, because once you say a lie about something very important, you start a countdown untlii a bigger tragedy is inevitably about to happen. You only and only make it happen later... and worse!
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 18 2006, 07:06 PM
That's true but it depends also on how you tell the lie for example people can say something in a way that they are telling the truth but also they are lieing...
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 19 2006, 03:36 AM
Well yeah, that's very true... usually that makes the lie half-forgiven and forgotten fast and avoids someone getting very angry or upset on someone else. That's like finding an good enough excuse for lieing...
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 19 2006, 12:20 PM
I have a question say you and your best friend were captured for killing someone and you were told that you could leave early if you said that your best friend killed him but he would stay for 5 years. If the both of you stayed silent you would be kept prisoner for 3 years. If your best friend said you did it you would stay there for 5 years and he would get out early. what would you do...?
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 19 2006, 07:02 PM
Thought about something similar but never actually compared it to a lie... well every time I thought about it i said I would never confess my friend killed him so he won't get into trouble even if they would get me... so I would only confess if I would make sure it's better for him... otherwise I'd go with him.
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Post by: Ozental on Apr 20 2006, 04:08 PM
I coul care less about my self, i look how i look, i feel like i feel, its too late now. Dont like yourself? Suicide!
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 20 2006, 04:10 PM
Suicide ain't the answer your being a coward if you commit suicide... And I want to talk about something in You Know... Okay so go over there for a second...
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Post by: Uchiyori on Apr 20 2006, 05:20 PM
Always cowardice...
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 20 2006, 06:31 PM
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I coul care less about my self, i look how i look, i feel like i feel, its too late now. Dont like yourself? Suicide!
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Like Kente-San said, this is no answer. Once you do this you loose many chances forever. I see it like this - If one kills himself, he looses all his work and all the time he stayed here for 15 years, 20, 30 or how old the person is. I'm not very sure if u go to hell or if it really is a sin no matter how you put it... I think this depends on what you belive but anywayz you will alwais (or for a very VERY long time) feel very sorry and alwais say "I was such a fool, I was here and what would have costed me to stay here at LEAST stayed alive and do nothing?".
And you also knew what you where getting into before being born here. Killing yourself actually means destroying something you started building that was working fine just for a moment of feeling bad. And many many bad things maybe worse, killing yourself is actually a trap for those who are very sad. DONT fall in it.
And about changing yourself and how you feel - Everything can be changed. The way you feel, the way you live, and yes, even your spirit can be changed if you really want to. Its just like 10 times harder then killing yourself and 100 times more rewarding...
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 20 2006, 06:52 PM
Listen I might not know much but I do know that if I wanted to die it would be with honor fighting to protect someone feels better... I don't know why maybe it's because I have a goddaughter I dunno. But when you are about to die and it's for someone else's life it feels better and more rewarding. Cause youre giving them the chance to live... And maybe they'll do good things maybe not but it's a chance you have to take...
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 21 2006, 03:29 AM
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Listen I might not know much but I do know that if I wanted to die it would be with honor fighting to protect someone feels better... I don't know why maybe it's because I have a goddaughter I dunno. But when you are about to die and it's for someone else's life it feels better and more rewarding. Cause youre giving them the chance to live... And maybe they'll do good things maybe not but it's a chance you have to take...
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Yeah... I feel the same way too. Maybe I'd be too afraid but I would give my life for someone who I'm sure he'd deserve to live if it would be the only choise and it would make me happier knowing he lived thanks to me cuz I think also that from that point on we'd be very close spirits thow separated by death. But of course I wouldn't do that for someone like... a human *shots*
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 21 2006, 03:45 AM
thats the only way i wud want to die, to honour or to protect sum1 else! stuff dieing with old age! or i wud want to die for sum1 i luv....  but then agen, im a sort of luvvy-duvvy person who really believes in their heart, so i spose its different for all ppl
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 21 2006, 05:09 AM
Nah I'm just the same myself really ^^ but now don't actually wish to dye for someone, and I dont believe it's a good thing to choose how you dye it sounds very scary to me o.o the way you dye and when you dye must never be changed and neither known while you're here so you won't try to change them. Just go and help someone in need, depending on how much you consider that person deserves it if it'a a long-time problem or if it's a moment problem.
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Post by: Ozental on Apr 21 2006, 06:02 AM
I know what you guys are saying, but people always complain, "oh im so unhealthy" "i hate myself" "My life sucks" THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT GOD DAMN IT!
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 21 2006, 08:20 AM
I have no jurisdiction in the suicide committee
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 21 2006, 09:17 AM
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I know what you guys are saying, but people always complain, "oh im so unhealthy" "i hate myself" "My life sucks" THEN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT GOD DAMN IT!
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Don't be so hard with them they have reasons I know how it feels and this is no way of helping them. They need to understand everything can be changed easier or harder and nothing is impossible. But it is true they have to do something about it but for a start they need to understand they can and there is a way out of everything.
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Post by: Voncloud on Apr 21 2006, 10:01 AM
On to the point of lies theres a certain quote i once heard that can some up the damage it can do. "Trust is something that takes years to build yet Suspition (not proof) can break it within days."
Onto Suicide, as has been said Suicide is the cowards way of getting out of things. If i have suicidle style problems i deal with them head on, i dont run with my tail tucked between my legs. If im going to die i woul dprefer to die fighting for what i beleive in, or for someone close to me. If not die peacefully with the knowladge that i led a good life.
Mircea a slight bone to pick with you. Everything you have said here is incredably wise, and im sure everyone whos read it have thought about it and understood it except one person. Yourself, For all the things that you have said and the knowladge you have shown us here..why are you in the state that you are?
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 21 2006, 11:51 AM
I'm fat! ppl say im not and i know im not! I just always say im fat!
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Post by: Ozental on Apr 21 2006, 04:17 PM
My point, i said
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
right? they were doing it, long or short, and they do something about it, right?
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 21 2006, 04:41 PM
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On to the point of lies theres a certain quote i once heard that can some up the damage it can do. "Trust is something that takes years to build yet Suspition (not proof) can break it within days."
Onto Suicide, as has been said Suicide is the cowards way of getting out of things. If i have suicidle style problems i deal with them head on, i dont run with my tail tucked between my legs. If im going to die i woul dprefer to die fighting for what i beleive in, or for someone close to me. If not die peacefully with the knowladge that i led a good life.
Mircea a slight bone to pick with you. Everything you have said here is incredably wise, and im sure everyone whos read it have thought about it and understood it except one person. Yourself, For all the things that you have said and the knowladge you have shown us here..why are you in the state that you are?
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OK... So about the suicide thing just a few words - the fact that it is the way of the coward and somehow a dishonour... well it is true but I dun want to say it like this because I know it could make weak people also feel miserable and worse and I dun want that. People who want to kill themselves only and only need help. If I am to ask a favour now to whoever reads this, please, never go on them like "You weak person you are a dishonour stay up and face everything" its not good :( they just need help and friends.

Now about me... it felt very nice when I've read someone thinks what I said is so important ^^. The reason why I post so much information from what I gathered myself mostly is because I want to know more about it and I realise that it is important for some and I want to help as much as I can. I was actually starting to be afraid I'm becoming annoying by posting all the time and never keeping my mouth shut and alwais talking about everything. And I can't hide the fact I sometimes feel like acting smart because I know about it and I dun like myself for it but at least it helps people and that's all that matters. And just to let you know for the moment this is the only forum I go on because I dont want to go to any places (neither net or reality) where people dont know and believe I am a furry spirit (in reality, I dunno any but oh well...).

As for the state that I'm in (and yeah a nasty one too)... some allready know. The only reason I am like this, and it's not because of being afraid about schools jobs and money and stupid things like these, not because of crying over some girl like most do (hellz I never ever liked humans anywayz xD) the only reason is the one that I want to be sure that I am a furry spirit and that I'll stay like this forever. Then its also because I'm sick of staying in this stupid world of year 2006 in a stupid apartment with stupid humans and have my mind poisoned with all that stuff... I only wish I was more into it then what I know and feel, for now what I feel and you guys over the internet are the only thing I have, the rest is just this jail. It prolly sounds strange for those who dun allready know how its like to be like this just because of willing to be sure you're the kind of spirit you want to be (and about what I personally told people about the killing yourself thing, add the saying "Do what the priest tells you not what he does") o.o Well u probably know if you've read my topic in the ranting forum... sorry for the lenghty post.

Anywayz back on topic I dun wanna ruin the topic with this i allready talk about it way too much because I can't keep my mouth shut :P
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Post by: Ozental on Apr 23 2006, 10:10 AM
But you gotta admit, people do get annoying complaining about their life.
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 23 2006, 10:24 AM
yeah really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really....
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Apr 23 2006, 10:54 AM
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Post by: Voncloud on Apr 23 2006, 11:23 AM
Hmph, i think people can complain, unlike you all i can cope with other peoples complaining and let them complain to me, heartless bunch of *mumble grumble*
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 23 2006, 12:24 PM
Ah was it about what I wrote in the second part of the post? If so I'm sorry about it I really didnt mean to annoy anyone so I won't talk about it again... anywayz its not what the topic's about so sorry...
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Post by: Kentenko saiyan warrior on Apr 23 2006, 02:32 PM
People complain all the time but they can never complain for the right thing and if they do it's very rare that others agree... Cause people are... unique and it really pains me to say that... But that's that... I can't make people agree with others and I can't be God I'm just a mortal put on this world to help those who need it.... Damn... Talking too much mouth going dry... -_-
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Post by: Taoki on Apr 23 2006, 04:31 PM
If its about me... I dun wanna complain about anything I just post it because... I just need to talk to someone that understands me dammit :(

Nevermind... on topic, I often hear people complaining about many things. Mostly on the news to be honest... these days what people cry about all the time is that their boyfriend or girlfriend left them. If it's about something sad, there is no other subject. Well I understand it but to be honest I find it annoying somehow but I'd never be rude if its about someone being hurt. People who complain are not boring or just people who waste their time but people who are against something. An idea, a fact, a reality or something that happens/happened/will happen... and honestly I cant blame some when they appear on the news and say they're sick of what the gouvernament or other idiots do. So, listen, even to those who complain, if somebody talks then prolly has something to say...
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Post by: Rocky the Echidna on Apr 24 2006, 07:02 AM
I understand u!
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Post by: Kit Kage on May 14 2006, 02:21 PM
Id like to say a few things. For starters people who complain just want to vent.. This I have no problem with its when they dont want to do anything about what they're complaining about or want someone else to do it for them.This I can not tolerate. On the subject of lieing its all in the situation. No one can account for every posibility and there are no definites when it comes to right and wrong.To the original topic of this discussion people need to stop caring so much what people think of them. If there is something you dislike about yourself either learn to live with it or change it. Not with surgery but with real work. Well thats all I have to say. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Post by: Taoki on May 14 2006, 02:57 PM
np, what u said is very true. Well I also dun like people who want others to do things for them but depending on the situation cuz some can't do all on their own. And yeah, people should try to not get too troubled over other's oppinions and if its something that is very important for them try to change it the way they want to if its not already there.
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Post by: Roy on Aug 18 2006, 07:05 AM
Sorry for reviving a 3 month old thread, but I had to add in my views here.

I agree completely with the original topic. But this is a side effect of the world, with advertising aimed at making people insecure so they think they need those products and so on. I've never bought into this myself and I admit I look down a bit on those that do, but my already high tolerence has grown even more since then so I don't let it get to me anymore.

On the subject of being wrong... that's a bit interesting. I don't have a problem with admitting that I'm wrong. However I do have a problem with leaving myself upon to attack. Unfortuntely often the former leads to the latter, so what I do is not say anything, but admit it to myself and also indicate by my actions that I've learned from my mistake. Which the person tends to be too dense to notice, but oh well. Of course if I don't need to worry about it being rubbed in my face I have no reason not to admit it. Besides, I do a good enough job of beating myself up for my mistakes without their assistance. ^_^ This is more of a principle thing really, I can deal with it but that doesn't mean I want to.

On the subject of lying... I try to be as honest as possible, only lying if backed into a corner and forced to. I don't like doing this even then, but it happens far more often than I'd like and seems to be the only way I can protect myself in those situations. I'd prefer to be completely honest, but I can only do so where it's safe. I believe here is safe so I avoid lying here, but elsewhere... I'm slow to trust, that's why I haven't posted much about spirituality yet. Although I did talk about it to individual members via AIM, PMs, etc...

Thing is if I am forced to they come out pretty damn elaborate, someone once called them a "Grand Illusion", and the term fits. Stems from having too much practice I guess, not something I'm proud of. :(

I also agree if someone has a problem they should do something about it instead of just complaining because that is a pointless waste of everyone's time.

I think I covered everything here, well one more thing. Don't hurt me too badly for the necro post. B)

Edit: 1 more thing I just remembered.

About thinking things through... your experiences have not been the same as mine Mircea. I'm not saying you're incorrect, I think both can be true depending on the person perceving it. (I mean no offense by the term person, I hope none is taken) For me if I think it through I tend to accomplish whatever goal I'm aiming for if it's within my ability to do so. Which could be good or bad, depending on what I was intending to do. If I just charge in though I end up causing pain though to myself and/or others while likely not accomplishing what I set out to do. Could be physical, could be emotional... But it is pain nonetheless. The thinking does not necessarily have to come from my brain, but things just don't work out for me if I don't think at all about it beforehand. Using the fire example, yes jumping in to save them works. But so do several alternative methods. Of course thoughts can be bad whether they are intended to or not. But thoughts are tools, and this is true of all tools. It depends on the wielder.
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Post by: Kumori_Fox on Oct 08 2006, 10:52 AM
Thank you Roy-sama.
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Post by: bloodrose13 on Oct 19 2007, 11:13 PM
they always look weird and sorta deformed anyway....